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Understand and Command

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Understand and command is the center of this T.L. Osborn sermon. Typical, he claims, of his sermons, calling people to see and believe Jesus the Christ.
I find it very encouraging to consider that in Christ we are far about principalities and powers. Still, we the church have generally not understood this Paul’s, and T.L.’s point. We still fight demons.Check out what he says.
It seems to me that also this leads to a great vision of who sons of God should be. Confident. Understanding. Commanding over evil.
It clearly contrasts a words perspective and the proper grace perspective — and why there is a different.
I also appreciated his words about the women in the Upper Room. Check it out.

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Choose Life

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From Deuteronomy 30, from the story of Mount Ebal and Mount Gerazim, with death and life, good and evil, blessing and cursing set before us, we consider how we can better choose life. The listeners of this podcast are already Christians, already choosing a spiritual life. Are there ways we have been led off track? Can we see life a little better, and choose life a little better? I think so. I think this passage with help us. We will understand a little more about the ways of God from his commandments, statutes, and judgements.  We will find out more about God’s blessings.  We will find out that blessings, good, and life all come together, are connected, and — it is good news!

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Death to Self OR The Crucified Life

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Wow! This was a long time in coming, but it may be the most important episode. Preaching “death to self” or (surprise to me) more properly “The Crucified Life” as good news! Of course, we are crucified with Christ, but trying to become dead as a means to obtain merit can be dangerous.  Of utmost importance in terms of being saved, not losing your salvation, having a good life, and not exasperating your children. Worth more teaching, which will be forthcoming — sometime.  Please do check back. In the meantime, please share.

Here is Kevin Zadai’s message on “The Crucified Life.

While “death to self” was central in Move doctrine, there are few Move documents online. Here is one example: The Son of Man Must Be Crucified by Sam Fife.

We do have a message on this topic in Spanish here.

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Sonship Assumes Fatherhood

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And obvious truth: to be a son, there has to be a father. Another obvious truth: that we are children of God at all, depends upon the love of the Father.

So how did we miss this in our discussions (so many years ago) about sonship? Let’s go over basic scriptures, to see what they really say. A little Greek, but mostly just the flow of the original argument, establishes that sonship is about growing in what was given us in our birth — rather than about some new “gospel” of works, etc.

I think you will rejoice when you get the idea.

Mentioned as preaching sonship rooted in the love of God:  Dan Nori’s course hosted by Joseph Peck, January 2019, and Johnny Enlow’s Rise 7 podcast #133 and  #87.

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What Does a Mature Son of God look like?

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What in the world would a mature son of God look like? Today, let’s try for a clear idea of what a mature Son of God looks like. This answers “what about eschatology?” and “What about 7M?” Quick mention of Rev 12 and I Thessalonians 5. What does a Son of God look like? Like JESUS. See Acts 10:38.

About time the pattern didn’t get ignored.

So let’s see every one de-oppressed. How about that?

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History of “The Move”

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Here is a brief history of what has been called the “Sam Fife Body of Christ Move of God.”

Not trying to call anyone out and not overlooking the blemishes. The point is to not replicate the mistakes made in the past. All respect to those who stepped out and risked much in order to answer the call to “go all the way with God.”

Nevertheless, if I am tasked with repreaching this, then it would be my duty to put the discussion into some historical context. Not saying this is exhaustive. Please feel free to add any concise, civil addition you yourself know of by eye witness.

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I Will Ascend – 3 of 3

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Finishing out the “There is a Fine Line Between Sonship Doctrine and The ‘I Will Ascend’ Doctrine.  Substituting ourselves for the unique, begotten Son, Jesus who is the Lord God is over the line and into the “I will ascend” doctrine.  Check out Sam Fife’s original booklets, particularly Man, Maid, and Manchild, to see the substitution for Jesus. The ministry was the bridegroom. This is no longer taught, but is revealing.Good example of what to be careful.

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I Will Ascend 1 of 3

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I have always said there is a fine line between sonship doctrine and the “I will ascend” doctrine.  I thought other people said it too. In any case, let’s make that line very clear, highlighted, and noticed — so we all back away from it. Let’s not go over it. Satan has always perverted truth. That is his method. And the greater the truth, perhaps the more concerted and perverted is the twist.

This is not the last podcast, but it is the one (or 3)  that perhaps is the most important, the one without which I couldn’t advertise the podcast. Thank God, I finally got it up, in time for Passover and Resurrection Sunday in 2020. So much is going on. So quickly. This seems so behind, but I am working as fast as I can.

Please share. Please share it with people who are confused and upset about this issue. I hope it helps a lot.